
Click on the photo above and read closely at the top. This is from Alabama's own 1983 Football program.
January 9th is a big day for college football fans as the 2012 BCS National Championship is being contested. This time of year usually comes with lots of talk, speculation, bets, and general conversation about our opinions and who we’re pulling for. The other day I was with the Cripple Hawk and we were talking about this game. The next day at work, a co-worker came up talking about how Alabama is going to win #14 and Auburn only has #2. (Yet again, a reason that if LSU wins I won’t be upset.) I corrected him on his counting method of national championships and showed him the evidence and then thought to myself, why not do the same here? I’m not trying to break Bama down. They have a great history and tradition. I do however feel if you’re going to run around throwing out numbers and putting bumper stickers on your car, you at the very least, shouldn’t mind if someone explains how you got to 14 and why it’s a fallacy to leave Auburn at 2.
Before we get to the easy stuff, a little groundwork. There have been, since 1869, 39 “Major Selectors” that have played a part in naming who they thought the National Champion should be. Some are math based organizations and some are poll based organizations. Regardless, that’s a lot. Starting in 1934, the AP poll began being recognized as the preeminent poll and the most respected for naming a National Champion. One aspect that will come up later is that up until 1968, the AP poll was taken at the end of the regular season and prior to bowl games.
Also, we have the Coaches’ Poll, to make it easy, but this poll has been called all sorts of stuff so we’ll just refer to it as the Coaches’ Poll. It’s been the same poll, but run by different organizations so we’ll just use the AP and Coaches’ poll for terminology.
These are two of the 4 Major Selectors that have been used to determine who the “Consensus National Champion” has been since 1950. The 4 of these polls include the AP Poll, Coaches’ Poll, Football Writers Association of America, and the National Football Foundation/College Football Hall of Fame. So, basically here’s what we have.
Prior to 1936, there were numerous polls and many of them were regional. In 1934 and finally in 1936, the AP Poll came on the scene and took a national poll and was immediately considered “the” poll. In 1950, the creation of the “two poll” system came about with the introduction of the Coaches’ Poll. Now, this poll is contractually obligated to name it’s champion the same as the BCS, so the only opportunity now for a split champion out of these polls is for the AP to vote different from the BCS. So to sum this section up. Prior to 1936, there was no one-single poll that was considered “the” poll and in 1936, we got that Poll (AP). You wanted to be the AP National Champion. Then, 1950 comes along and you want to be the AP and the Coaches’ poll champion or you split it with someone else. Then, finally as the years progress, there’s the AP, Coaches’, FWAA and the NFF championships that are all thrown into the “Consensus National Champion”. You want all of these, and at least the majority, or else you again split it and are just claiming part of it. So, here’s where the counting comes in.
Alabama Claims these years as their championships that comprise at this time, 13: 1925, 1926, 1930, 1934, 1941, 1961, 1964, 1965, 1973, 1978, 1979, 1992, 2009. Let’s look at these in-depth, again not to destroy anything, but to merely analyze the truth behind these championships that are claimed.
1925- They had 8 out of 11 major selectors in this pre-AP era poll system. It was split with Dartmouth and Michigan. They had the majority
1926- They had 5 out of 13 major selectors in this pre-AP era poll system. It was split with Lafayette, Navy, Michigan, and Stanford.
1930- They had 3 out of 12 major selectors in this pre-AP era poll system. It was split with only Notre Dame who had the rest.
1934- They had 4 out of 12 major selectors in this pre-AP era poll system. It was split with Minnesota who had the rest.
Now, Bama disappears until 1941 which is now in the AP poll era. Up to this point, the team with the majority of the selectors was widely considered by the masses as the “National Champion”.
1941- Alabama has 1 out of 14 major selectors. It’s split with Minnesota and Texas with Minnesota having 11 of the remaining 13 major selectors, including the AP.
Now, Bama disappears until 1961 which is now in the Dual poll era. This era also contains the FWAA and the NFF polls naming their champions. Again, all of these voting for you is best, or it’s a split with someone else, leaving you with the “Consensus National Champion” because any 1 of the major 4 voted for you. The public however, still looked widely at the AP poll as the major poll to have here and they also paid attention to who had the most out of the 4.
1961- Alabama has the AP, UPI, and the NFF polls while Ohio State has the FWAA. Split national championship but Alabama had an overwhelming popular opinion as the champion that year.
1964- A crazy year. Alabama was voted the AP and UPI national champion at the end of the regular season. Arkansas had the FWAA and Notre Dame had the NFF championship. However, Alabama lost in the Orange Bowl to Texas, leaving Arkansas as the only undefeated, untied team after the Razorbacks defeated Nebraska in the Cotton Bowl Classic. The press was noted for saying that they wouldn’t make that mistake again, because they felt Arkansas should’ve been given the AP championship along with others.
1965- Alabama take the AP and the FWAA while Michigan State takes the UPI, FWAA, and the NFF. That’s not a typo. The FWAA voted both as national champion making it useless for a determining factor.
1973- Alabama takes the UPI poll while Michigan, Notre Dame, Oklahoma and Ohio State split the rest. However, Notre Dame has a convincing majority of the public and polls by taking the AP, FWAA and the NFF.
1978- Alabama take the majority with the AP, FWAA and the NFF, but USC and Oklahoma split the rest with USC taking the UPI.
1979- Alabama flat-out took the cake with all 4 major selectors.
1992- Alabama again takes the cake with all 4.
2009- Alabama take the cake.
Now, that is how the voting and polls determined the championships for those years that Alabama has claimed 13 championships. Now, at this point, I took a few days off and engaged some conversations with people who were alive in the 50′s and so on to get their opinion about one thing. What Major Selector did you consider to be the one that you would count as a National Championship selection, worth claiming. This came from a mix of fans from schools including Alabama and the overwhelming answer was the AP and the UPI (Coaches’ Poll). When asked about the organizations who awarded the others to Alabama, they had never heard of them really and sure didn’t remember them carrying any clout towards the National Championship record books. One step further, most of them said the AP national champion was ”the” champion, and the UPI was seen as 2nd rate to the AP. If you had both, you had the “consensus” champion but if you only got one, you wanted the AP. So, out of the years 1925, 1926, 1930, 1934, 1941, 1961, 1964, 1965, 1973, 1978, 1979, 1992, 2009, as listed above, only 7 of these were AP national championships (1961, 1964, 1965, 1978, 1979, 1992 and 2009). In 1973, Alabama won the UPI National Championship. So, in conclusion here, out of the 13 National Championships claimed by Alabama, 7 of them were nationally recognized by the AP, 1 by the UPI alone, and the other 5 came from any major selector. So, that’s the breakdown and it leads to a funny question in modern times. How do people feel about split national championships today?
As I listen to sports radio, co-workers, friends and family, there’s one opinion that so passionately expressed that it makes me laugh. If Alabama beats LSU tonight, the AP is stupid for voting LSU or anyone else as National Champion, thus creating a Split National Champion. My problem with this is, how can any fan but especially an Alabama fan (and I say that only because even Tony Barnhart believes they have one of the most questionable record of National Championships around) not believe in the split national championship? Let’s look at it this way; how many of the 13 national championships aren’t split for Alabama (Considering that most reputable sources would say the AP and the UPI were needed for the consensus national championship from 1936 to the onset of the BCS.) Well, let’s see. It looks like in the pre-AP era, (1925, 1926,1930,1934), not one year did the selectors give the majority of votes to Alabama. In two years, 4 and 5 teams “split” the selectors, and in the other two years, it was split between two school with the majority of votes going to the other school. Now, in the post-AP era and before the UPI came about in 1950, Alabama was picked once, in 1941 as the champion but it wasn’t an AP. Now, from 1950, forward let’s look at it because this would be the timeframe where we can now have a consensus national champion because we have the AP and the UPI. In this era (and we’ll go ahead and throw in the BCS era), they had 5 Championships where it was considered a “consensus” championship. So, now how does this look?
Out of 13 claimed national championships, 5 would be considered as legitimate consensus, non-split national championships (and don’t forget in 1964 the AP was given out before the bowl games, and since they got beat, making AP voters change the next year due to the regret of not being able to give it to undefeated Arkansas, they started passing out their championship after the bowl game starting in 1965)…but we’ll stay with 5 cause that’s what the facts say. What about the other 8. Well basically, more than half of the championships they claim are a form of a split national championship with 4 of them being in the pre-AP system where they claimed as little as 1 major selectors’ opinion.
So, how can any Alabama fan with a bumper sticker or T-shirt with “13 National Championships” on it, say that they’re against a split national championship. Over half of the ones they claim are splits and most half of those aren’t even split between the AP and UPI.
Now again, I’m not trying to tear down Alabama, but I’m a person that works in numbers and facts. Factually and quantitatively, there is a huge disparity between the way that some count their championships and the truth of reality. Also, isn’t it only fair to count for other schools the same way you do for yours? Let’s see what facts we uncover this way.
By using the same counting method as Alabama has used to claim 13 national championships, also somehow which escapes me, allowing some fans to say they have more than anyone, did you know that Yale has 26 National Champions and Princeton has 28?! That’s incredible. Whether it’s right or wrong, it is the same counting method. Or let’s look at how they count their numbers, then compare it to their cross state rival. The whole time their claiming 13 National Championships, with one counting method, they used a different to tell Auburn fans they had one. If you actually used the same method of counting, the numbers aren’t right, and neither is the argument.
Now, I’m fully aware of how and where my teams’ championships have come from and I’m also aware of how many more Alabama has than Auburn. The facts folks. I get it. I also get how awesome of a tradition Alabama has and how it’s historically a great and very successful program. I simply don’t understand why a program that has such a great history and so much to be proud of, if you didn’t fudge numbers, feels the need to do so. Are you really proud of the 1930 year where Knute Rockne’s Fighting Irish had 3 times the voters saying they were the champions? Or what about when Minnesota had twice as many voters saying they were the champions in 1934? And 1941? You hold your head high about the 1 out of 14 votes you got when Minnesota again had 11 out of the 14? It seems even like a stretch on the 1964 claim where you had the voters publically issuing regret so deep, for voting for you, that they changed the whole freaking system. Take it where you can get it right? Why don’t we just go ahead and issue a BCS title right now before the game’s played because I don’t guess it matters who wins the bowl game right? If it does however, let’s drop the 1964 title from our books so we aren’t hypocritical. And why we’re talking about being hypocritical, if you don’t like split national championships, then drop those 8 that you’re claiming that are split. Hey, you got 5 you don’t have to worry about and that’s incredible. Just don’t fuss if about method of doing things, while that very method, got you 8 out of your 13 championships (and if you want to be really technical, let’s keep in mind you only have ALL voters voting for you and nobody else ONCE…yes once, in 2009). Even in ’61, and 1992, other school received votes. Oh, let’s look at that for one second before we close.
By the method that Alabama claims 13 big ones, did you know that Auburn has 5? Yeah, Auburn has 5 trophies of their own if you count the same way that Alabama gets to 13! War Eagle right? Wrong…we only claim the ones that we should claim thus we proudly take our 2. But, let’s be fair. Since y’all can claim a National Championship for just one selector, did you know that you share 1992 with Florida State? You also share every one of your other championships with other schools, if they count the way you do. But, for some reason, and I don’t know what that would be…maybe some sense of dignity or something, Florida State doesn’t claim that 1992 championship in their books. Auburn doesn’t claim 1913, 1983 or 1993 even though they got a minimum of 3 votes from selectors for those years. Who else? USC doesn’t claim 1979. Oklahoma doesn’t claim 1978, and I’m pretty sure you get the point. It seems that one school has a drastically different method of counting how many championships they have in comparison to the rest of the country in the history of college football.
Again, I’m not trying to breakdown the greatness that Alabama has experienced because it’s one of the greatest football stories of all time. But, facts are facts and sadly, the facts and figures paint a picture that takes away from the greatness of that program, simply in my opinion. I would be embarrassed to claim a championship that I didn’t deserve or didn’t win by the same standards that the rest of the country uses. It says something, to me at least, for a program to hold their head high for the accomplishments they have earned the hard way, even if it’s only 2 (when by using Alabama’s Method of Counting, it should be 5).
So, if the Tide rolls their way over some Tigers tonight, will it be 8, 6, 2, 14, or what? I guess it just depends on if you want to be proud of what you’ve legitimately earned or if you just want to grab at anything. Personally I’d rather have $2 I earned than $14, if it meant that $8 or so aren’t really mine.
and before people start saying anything to Auburn fans about if we want y’all to win or not; remember these? Cripple Hawk?